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Сообщение от Tamara
(Сообщение 698651)
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Интересно просто знать чем могут оправдываться такие жертвоприношения ...
и кстати, по слухам, блот - далекоооо не единственная проблема в этой линии.
Мне вот очень понравилось как сказано здесь
In the show world heads are what the judges see first and side view is what they look for in motion. Jean wanted the whole dog and continually bred for it and the Wycliffe dogs had most of it. It was the thing to do, acquire a Wycliffe dog because of it's beauty and structurely sound bone. Wycliffe was not bad, it was what happened with so many Wycliffe and the lack of knowledge of the times that was bad
То есть понятно, да ?.. Проблемы вылезли потому что тогда об их наследовании ещё толком НЕ ЗНАЛИ ! Не знали, блин !! Сейчас-то знаем! Зачем самоотверженно наступать на те же грабли ?? (это об идее повторить "эксперимент")
сорри, у меня это больная тема )))
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Искала информацию по нужно теме поискоми с грустью обнаружила, что многие ссылки не работают почему-то, на их месте или пусто или другие сайты, увы....
Из этого поста тоже по ссылке уе ничего нет.
Вот нашла по цитате английской фразы единственное совпадение на каком-то сайте, пусть будет ссылка в теме и цитата оттуда, вдруг кому пригодится
http://chiendeaufrancais.com/articles2.php?pg=art122
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Wycliffe poodles...
All this talk regarding the Wycliffe dogs……. Many Wycliffe dogs in show rings dogs…..not descendants, but bred by Jean Lyle herself. At that time the biggest problem we saw in that line was bloat.
When I look at some of the pedigrees of my standards back then Wycliffe is in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation, and on back. Personally,the biggest affect on the breed was Ch Haus Brau Executive of Acadia. (some good, some bad). He was an unbelievable showman and did great things in the show ring. He was basically all Wycliffe. Breeders wanted what he had, and started tightly line breeding on him……half bro/sis etc. The great Ch Acadia Command Performance was a son of his. Both of these dogs bloated, Command Perf died of it. Breeders doubled up on him too as he was the first really awesome white to come along…..top dog for awhile. Well, the pups from this tight breeding had their share of problems. Seizures were the big thing with these pups. For awhile it seemed like everywhere you looked, standards were having seizures. I have seen them doing it on the grooming table at a dog show. Unfortunately, we couldn’t test for seizures like we could for hips, eyes, skin, etc. So unless someone saw a dog actually have a seizure, one might never know.
UKC lets you show them with shorter coats!! There is nothing "wrong" about a Wycliffe dog, in fact most of the dogs you see today are Wycliffe dogs. What happened was Wycliffe was very popular and the dogs were breed and inbred or linebred so much in history that they actually make up most of the gene pool for standard poodles. Non-Wycliffe,is that the dog does not descend from Wycliffe dogs, which is very cool when you study genetic diversity in poodles.
There were five Poodles that started the standards in the US and Canada which caused a huge bottle neck with no diversity. Wycliffe was actually out of Canada and in the fifties and sixties breeders were urged to stay within their lines to breed. Starting with only five Poodles the Wycliffe line had a huge influence on the Poodle world. In 1997 when Jean Lyle passed away it was estimated that Wycliffe lines were behind two-thirds of the Poodle population in the world. As times have gone on it has become apparent that inbreeding so heavily is not the way to go and many (including myself) believe that much of the cause of today's health issues are because of it.
Finding Pedigrees without the influence of Wycliffe is difficult, many of these Poodles or the offspring of the Wycliffe line have become popular sires because of the wins they have accomplished and today it is common knowledge that popular sires have also caused health issues.
It is all about health today as so many Poodles are now leading very short lived lives. It was not uncommon when I first got into Poodles in the 80's for a Standard to live till 16-20 years. Now days it is very difficult to get them beyond 10 years old without some major health problem.
Of course breeding with diversity is much more difficult as you won't get immediate type and style without working at it.
Most people today want instant gratification of that show dog and you won't get it if you intend to go after longevity and health as well.
While Jean Lyle so did much for the Poodle breed, there was also much lost in the bottleneck the Wycliffe line created.
Although the Poodle has encountered major health issues, Jean Lyle had a sound and solid grasp of what a nice Poodle should look like. She clearly bred beautiful Poodles, if you read any of her articles you will see this lady was one of the greatest to contribute to the Poodle World. So not to take away from the beautiful Wycliffe Poodles but more so to blame the lack of knowledge in the genetic field of the times she was breeding.
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Personally, I have always believed that the key to breeding a dog that looks stunning while standing free, and that moves magnificently, is first of all breeding for balanced, ideal body structure. The dog then is not only a beautiful creature standing and "on the move," but it is much more sound, healthy and beautiful until it's dying day, for there are no undue or unnatural strains to cause lowered heads, sagging backs, tucked-under rears, pathetic movement, arthritis and even hip dysplasia. Breeders should devote themselves to producing health-promoting, well-balanced Poodle structure. But they must be aware that is more complicated and much more challenging than simply breeding for lovely heads.
In the show world heads are what the judges see first and side view is what they look for in motion. Jean wanted the whole dog and continually bred for it and the Wycliffe dogs had most of it. It was the thing to do, acquire a Wycliffe dog because of it's beauty and structurely sound bone. Wycliffe was not bad, it was what happened with so many Wycliffe and the lack of knowledge of the times that was bad.
Most of the Wycliffe's don't begin to show up until the 10th generation on todays dogs.
What a nice tribute to Mrs Lyle.
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